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	<title>Comments on: From Tennessean to Cocoa Programmer in 3 easy steps!</title>
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	<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/</link>
	<description>i saw that</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-18388</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add to that list Griffin Technology, located in Nashville, TN:

http://www.griffintechnology.com/contact/careers.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add to that list Griffin Technology, located in Nashville, TN:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.griffintechnology.com/contact/careers.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.griffintechnology.com/contact/careers.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Young</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-18117</link>
		<dc:creator>David Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 09:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good story. Mine is at:

http://www.stuffonfire.com/2006/01/23/how-to-make-a-living-as-a-mac-programmer/

I came up through NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP to Mac OS X and I'm still under 30, I may be the only person in the world who can say that.

Funny bit about rewriting Extension Manager! Adobe's apps are crazy these days, seems like a bunch of stuff is written in Apollo and Flash, sort of. Or at least, it performs like it is.

Interestingly enough I have been doing some Windows work lately and I've oft thought of the title of your blog as a reference to what it is actually like to work on Windows, not sure if I misread that or not. Either way, I'm glad you're safe, my world seems to get sharkier all the time, but at least I'm still having fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good story. Mine is at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuffonfire.com/2006/01/23/how-to-make-a-living-as-a-mac-programmer/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuffonfire.com/2006/01/23/how-to-make-a-living-as-a-mac-programmer/</a></p>
<p>I came up through NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP to Mac OS X and I&#8217;m still under 30, I may be the only person in the world who can say that.</p>
<p>Funny bit about rewriting Extension Manager! Adobe&#8217;s apps are crazy these days, seems like a bunch of stuff is written in Apollo and Flash, sort of. Or at least, it performs like it is.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough I have been doing some Windows work lately and I&#8217;ve oft thought of the title of your blog as a reference to what it is actually like to work on Windows, not sure if I misread that or not. Either way, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re safe, my world seems to get sharkier all the time, but at least I&#8217;m still having fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-17900</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-D

Rich: What are the names of these companies? Perhaps they're looking for interns ;-)

Grayson: I haven't met any yet, but I'm looking!</description>
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<p>Rich: What are the names of these companies? Perhaps they&#8217;re looking for interns <img src='http://www.losingfight.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Grayson: I haven&#8217;t met any yet, but I&#8217;m looking!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Criscuolo</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-17796</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Criscuolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 13:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The option of going to work for a small software company is a tricky one. Generally, the smaller companies don't have the infrastructure that supports a college graduate with little to no commercial development experience (especially Cocoa!). I started out of college with a company that always hired new grads but had sufficient engineering staff to train and nurture, but upon moving to a smaller company 9 years later I realize that the options for a graduate are less than desirable, unless you have Mac development experience that means something (as you pointed out).

Smaller companies need people with experience, so they can start in on fast moving, under development projects right away. 

Good post. I'm in Charleston, SC, working remotely. I know of one other Cocoa developer in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The option of going to work for a small software company is a tricky one. Generally, the smaller companies don&#8217;t have the infrastructure that supports a college graduate with little to no commercial development experience (especially Cocoa!). I started out of college with a company that always hired new grads but had sufficient engineering staff to train and nurture, but upon moving to a smaller company 9 years later I realize that the options for a graduate are less than desirable, unless you have Mac development experience that means something (as you pointed out).</p>
<p>Smaller companies need people with experience, so they can start in on fast moving, under development projects right away. </p>
<p>Good post. I&#8217;m in Charleston, SC, working remotely. I know of one other Cocoa developer in the area.</p>
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		<title>By: Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-17761</link>
		<dc:creator>Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm from TN and I'm a bit surprised by just how many Mac programmers I know are from TN.  I've heard of 4 or 5 Cocoa programmers in my area and a couple for Carbon (non-overlapping).  TN certainly isn't a tech state so I'm curious how so many come up on my radar.  Any ideas?  Anyone for a beer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from TN and I&#8217;m a bit surprised by just how many Mac programmers I know are from TN.  I&#8217;ve heard of 4 or 5 Cocoa programmers in my area and a couple for Carbon (non-overlapping).  TN certainly isn&#8217;t a tech state so I&#8217;m curious how so many come up on my radar.  Any ideas?  Anyone for a beer?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Goh</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-17752</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 01:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, if you can't manage to find a company to hire you as an  entry-level Cocoa programmer, you could take a highly-risky route by first working for a company in your own hometown, saving up as much as you can while you're there, then leaving that company to found your own company with that money saved to become a full-time Cocoa programmer.

Phew, that was a long sentence.

That's the route I took, and  although you might not end up rich, it'll work too if you wish to stay in your own hometown, and there just aren't any available Cocoa programming jobs there.

You can read more about my story here: http://macapper.com/2007/05/15/switchers-giveaway-honorable-mentions-iii-the-indie-mac-developer/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, if you can&#8217;t manage to find a company to hire you as an  entry-level Cocoa programmer, you could take a highly-risky route by first working for a company in your own hometown, saving up as much as you can while you&#8217;re there, then leaving that company to found your own company with that money saved to become a full-time Cocoa programmer.</p>
<p>Phew, that was a long sentence.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the route I took, and  although you might not end up rich, it&#8217;ll work too if you wish to stay in your own hometown, and there just aren&#8217;t any available Cocoa programming jobs there.</p>
<p>You can read more about my story here: <a href="http://macapper.com/2007/05/15/switchers-giveaway-honorable-mentions-iii-the-indie-mac-developer/" rel="nofollow">http://macapper.com/2007/05/15/switchers-giveaway-honorable-mentions-iii-the-indie-mac-developer/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/22/from-tennessean-to-cocoa-programmer-in-3-easy-steps/#comment-17751</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 00:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be contrarian... but the company I work for has two Cocoa developers and is located in Nashville, TN.  I also know of a second company that has a Cocoa developer (maybe two now) in Nashville's suburbia as well.  I have a feeling their are few more out there as well (probably music software related).  

Of course, this is certainly a needle in the haystack compared to out west, but a few magical positions do exist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be contrarian&#8230; but the company I work for has two Cocoa developers and is located in Nashville, TN.  I also know of a second company that has a Cocoa developer (maybe two now) in Nashville&#8217;s suburbia as well.  I have a feeling their are few more out there as well (probably music software related).  </p>
<p>Of course, this is certainly a needle in the haystack compared to out west, but a few magical positions do exist&#8230;</p>
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