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	<title>Comments on: The sordid tale of mm_menu/fw_menu.js</title>
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	<description>now with more sarcasm</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Step By Step Web Design Course Using Dreamweaver &#38; Fireworks. &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-35755</link>
		<dc:creator>Step By Step Web Design Course Using Dreamweaver &#38; Fireworks. &#124; 7Wins.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Adobe Labs at Creative ToolboxNotes on Design » Blog Archive » Quick Imaging in Dreamweaver CS3Safe from the Losing Fight » The sordid tale of mm_menu/fw_menu.js   Tags web design macromedia dreamweaver adobe dreamweaver macromedia fireworks dreamweaver 8 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on Adobe Labs at Creative ToolboxNotes on Design » Blog Archive » Quick Imaging in Dreamweaver CS3Safe from the Losing Fight » The sordid tale of mm_menu/fw_menu.js   Tags web design macromedia dreamweaver adobe dreamweaver macromedia fireworks dreamweaver 8 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Frosty</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-34703</link>
		<dc:creator>Frosty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can't polish a turd, but you can shape it into a chocolate bunny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t polish a turd, but you can shape it into a chocolate bunny.</p>
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		<title>By: Zev</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-27336</link>
		<dc:creator>Zev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came by this article the same way *everybody* else has.  Thanks for giving me a wonderful opportunity to procrastinate from fixing my menus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came by this article the same way *everybody* else has.  Thanks for giving me a wonderful opportunity to procrastinate from fixing my menus.</p>
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		<title>By: artboy34</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-25327</link>
		<dc:creator>artboy34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I'm not going insane. What a relief! I have been losing the battle against drop-down menus here for some time, but now I have ammunition to use in the fight. You think you've mastered the code, and then the client opens your test site in an archaic browser set to a screen resolution that even the Blind Center finds unnecessarily large, and the two (yeah that's rightâ€¦ TWO) items in the one drop-down appear at the top left hand corner of the screen. Yeah, it's been one of those days. Thanks for the laugh, and timely info â€“ I needed both!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m not going insane. What a relief! I have been losing the battle against drop-down menus here for some time, but now I have ammunition to use in the fight. You think you&#8217;ve mastered the code, and then the client opens your test site in an archaic browser set to a screen resolution that even the Blind Center finds unnecessarily large, and the two (yeah that&#8217;s rightâ€¦ TWO) items in the one drop-down appear at the top left hand corner of the screen. Yeah, it&#8217;s been one of those days. Thanks for the laugh, and timely info â€“ I needed both!</p>
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		<title>By: Viki</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-23416</link>
		<dc:creator>Viki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know its a very good script, but after searching the net for almost 5 hours, I cant find any information about how to configure the script, I need to reduce the gap between two vertical menus.
plz publish a mm_menu.js with comment so that people like us can modify it to match their need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know its a very good script, but after searching the net for almost 5 hours, I cant find any information about how to configure the script, I need to reduce the gap between two vertical menus.<br />
plz publish a mm_menu.js with comment so that people like us can modify it to match their need.</p>
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		<title>By: bt3of4</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-22808</link>
		<dc:creator>bt3of4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting hate_menu posts.  I was getting along with them, until I decided to road-map my entire site through the menu items.  Turns out when you lose your mind like this, so does the code.  Starts displaying the sub-sub-sub menus completely off the monitor.

Was just looking to see if anybody had fixed this yet when I ran into this.  funny indeed.  Problematic for me, but funny nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting hate_menu posts.  I was getting along with them, until I decided to road-map my entire site through the menu items.  Turns out when you lose your mind like this, so does the code.  Starts displaying the sub-sub-sub menus completely off the monitor.</p>
<p>Was just looking to see if anybody had fixed this yet when I ran into this.  funny indeed.  Problematic for me, but funny nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamweaver Menus&#8230;A Solution, and Then Some &#171; Land of the Nancilla</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-19966</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreamweaver Menus&#8230;A Solution, and Then Some &#171; Land of the Nancilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I began using Dreamweaver (first 8, and then CS3) to help me create a series of dropdown menus, with an applet directly underneath the navigation bar. Almost immediately, I ran into the problem of my dropdown menus appearing behind the applet instead of in front. I scoured the web for many days, searching for a solution, and mostly what I found were suggestions to rearrange the page so that the menus simply wouldn&#8217;t drop down in front of something (an answer I found to be particularly frustrating), unanswered pleas for help often accompanied by insane and intimidating code posts (Dreamweaver&#8217;s drop-down menus come with a nasty-looking javascript file), or criticisms of Dreamweaver&#8217;s drop-down menus (and rightly so), with suggestions to go find a free one or follow some tutorials. I also fell upon Andy Finnell&#8217;s criticism (http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/) of the menus, and you know it&#8217;s pretty bad when even the guy who had a part in developing part of the menus tells you not to use them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I began using Dreamweaver (first 8, and then CS3) to help me create a series of dropdown menus, with an applet directly underneath the navigation bar. Almost immediately, I ran into the problem of my dropdown menus appearing behind the applet instead of in front. I scoured the web for many days, searching for a solution, and mostly what I found were suggestions to rearrange the page so that the menus simply wouldn&#8217;t drop down in front of something (an answer I found to be particularly frustrating), unanswered pleas for help often accompanied by insane and intimidating code posts (Dreamweaver&#8217;s drop-down menus come with a nasty-looking javascript file), or criticisms of Dreamweaver&#8217;s drop-down menus (and rightly so), with suggestions to go find a free one or follow some tutorials. I also fell upon Andy Finnell&#8217;s criticism (http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/) of the menus, and you know it&#8217;s pretty bad when even the guy who had a part in developing part of the menus tells you not to use them. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Cookie Pierce</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-14333</link>
		<dc:creator>Cookie Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got sent to this URL by a potential client who looked at the source code for a couple of the sites I've developed! I must say I've been having trouble with the FW menus too -- the implementation in Fireworks is so poor that the "Appearance" tabs don't even function, so I had to create the menus and then try to figure out how to modify the appearance by changing the Javascript. Which of course made me wonder why I hadn't just written the Javascript myself. (Answer: I thought Macromedia had taken care of it for me!) I will definitely try Al's product on the next website I have to develop.  Thanks everyone for the story and the great comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got sent to this URL by a potential client who looked at the source code for a couple of the sites I&#8217;ve developed! I must say I&#8217;ve been having trouble with the FW menus too &#8212; the implementation in Fireworks is so poor that the &#8220;Appearance&#8221; tabs don&#8217;t even function, so I had to create the menus and then try to figure out how to modify the appearance by changing the Javascript. Which of course made me wonder why I hadn&#8217;t just written the Javascript myself. (Answer: I thought Macromedia had taken care of it for me!) I will definitely try Al&#8217;s product on the next website I have to develop.  Thanks everyone for the story and the great comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Lanny Chambers</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-11503</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanny Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a FW user since monkeyboy, I really enjoyed this tale--thanks, Andy. Thanks to Murray, too, for introducing me to Al's elegant P7 solutions, thus saving my sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a FW user since monkeyboy, I really enjoyed this tale&#8211;thanks, Andy. Thanks to Murray, too, for introducing me to Al&#8217;s elegant P7 solutions, thus saving my sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: php_guy</title>
		<link>http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/#comment-10271</link>
		<dc:creator>php_guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know ... I'm guessin I'm relatively lonely on this, but I don't find the menus all that bad.  

In fact, I just use the mm_menu.js file, mod it as needed for transparency and dynamic generation with PHP/MySQL, and away I go.  No biggie, right?

I must say, I did need a laugh today and this post delivered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know &#8230; I&#8217;m guessin I&#8217;m relatively lonely on this, but I don&#8217;t find the menus all that bad.  </p>
<p>In fact, I just use the mm_menu.js file, mod it as needed for transparency and dynamic generation with PHP/MySQL, and away I go.  No biggie, right?</p>
<p>I must say, I did need a laugh today and this post delivered.</p>
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